Getting my Win8 today!

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Ah, a keyboard. How quaint.[/color]

And you wrote that with… what? Your voice
recognition software that is so wonderful we all use it? Your tablet
(oh a virtualized keyboard… that makes it so much better…).

The problem with changing a primary way to interface with a computer is
that the keyboard is so stinkin’ efficient. Has anybody here dictated
an entire letter (e-mail) to anybody? Was it a pleasant experience?
Did you speak at normal speed? Was your punctuation, expression of
EXCITEMENT, and anything else outside of single statements handled
perfectly? How about moving from simple things like conversations to
more serious things… like spreadsheets? Has anybody worked in a
spreadsheet using non-keyboards (and I mean physical or virtual
keyboards)? Presentations/Slideshows? Serious documents in some word
processing program with a single ordered list?

Now let’s move on to serious system administration. When was the last
time somebody tried to edit a conf file, modify a registry key, restart
a service, check log events, or do anything else in the realm of “system
administration” without a keyboard? I suppose you can use a mouse to
access these parts of the system and read them, but reading isn’t system
administration.

So we’re stuck trying to either teach humans to work better with
computers (enter the keyboard) or computers to work better with humans
(enter voice recognition technology, or something else that works more
like we do). The former is backward-compatible, fairly fast, accurate
and precise, and ubiquitous even on devices that don’t have a way to
plug them in… and the only thing we hate about them is that on devices
without a physical keyboard they’re so blasted inefficient compared to
the real thing because (well, at least that’s what I hate about them…
that and they cover up the screen when you use them). On the other
hand, voice-recognition technology has been anywhere from terrible to
pretty-bad for a couple of decades, and while in some cases it seems to
be getting better (like asking for driving directions, or looking up
people from my Android’s address book), that isn’t much like “real work”
either.

I think a better interface will probably come when computers are better
able to understand our language directly, and that’ll happen about
thirty minutes before they replace us entirely, and then go back to
ignoring human language altogether because it’s so blasted inefficient
compared to their normal ways of sharing information.

Good luck.
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Ab,[color=blue]

And you wrote that with… what? Your voice
recognition software that is so wonderful we all use it? Your tablet
(oh a virtualized keyboard… that makes it so much better…).[/color]

Just as an analogue wristwatch is more efficient than a digital one.


Anders Gustafsson (NKP)
The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

Have an idea for a product enhancement? Please visit:
http://www.novell.com/rms

ab wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]

Ah, a keyboard. How quaint.[/color]

And you wrote that with… what? Your voice
recognition software that is so wonderful we all use it? Your tablet
(oh a virtualized keyboard… that makes it so much better…).[/color]

Apparently someone didn’t get the Star Trek IV reference…


Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

On 10/29/2012 9:43 AM, ab wrote:[color=blue]

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[color=green]

Ah, a keyboard. How quaint.[/color]

And you wrote that with… what? Your voice
recognition software that is so wonderful we all use it? Your tablet
(oh a virtualized keyboard… that makes it so much better…).

The problem with changing a primary way to interface with a computer is
that the keyboard is so stinkin’ efficient. Has anybody here dictated
an entire letter (e-mail) to anybody? Was it a pleasant experience?
Did you speak at normal speed? Was your punctuation, expression of
EXCITEMENT, and anything else outside of single statements handled
perfectly? How about moving from simple things like conversations to
more serious things… like spreadsheets? Has anybody worked in a
spreadsheet using non-keyboards (and I mean physical or virtual
keyboards)? Presentations/Slideshows? Serious documents in some word
processing program with a single ordered list?

Now let’s move on to serious system administration. When was the last
time somebody tried to edit a conf file, modify a registry key, restart
a service, check log events, or do anything else in the realm of “system
administration” without a keyboard? I suppose you can use a mouse to
access these parts of the system and read them, but reading isn’t system
administration.

So we’re stuck trying to either teach humans to work better with
computers (enter the keyboard) or computers to work better with humans
(enter voice recognition technology, or something else that works more
like we do). The former is backward-compatible, fairly fast, accurate
and precise, and ubiquitous even on devices that don’t have a way to
plug them in… and the only thing we hate about them is that on devices
without a physical keyboard they’re so blasted inefficient compared to
the real thing because (well, at least that’s what I hate about them…
that and they cover up the screen when you use them). On the other
hand, voice-recognition technology has been anywhere from terrible to
pretty-bad for a couple of decades, and while in some cases it seems to
be getting better (like asking for driving directions, or looking up
people from my Android’s address book), that isn’t much like “real work”
either.

I think a better interface will probably come when computers are better
able to understand our language directly, and that’ll happen about
thirty minutes before they replace us entirely, and then go back to
ignoring human language altogether because it’s so blasted inefficient
compared to their normal ways of sharing information.

Good luck.[/color]

But you don’t understand… None of us need to do anything like
spreadsheets, system management, coding etc anymore. We ALL just need
to be in “the cloud” using our ipads or whatever…

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On 10/29/2012 08:30 AM, George wrote:[color=blue]

But you don’t understand… None of us need to do anything like
spreadsheets, system management, coding etc anymore. We ALL just
need to be in “the cloud” using our ipads or whatever…[/color]

Now that is the truth; I just do not understand.

I would do the same thing, if only the lousy mortgage company, IRS, and
utilities stinkers didn’t keep coming back demanding money. We
shouldn’t need to pay these things; they are impeding my ability to live
the 21st Century American Dream of getting everything for nothing.
Curse reality!!!

Joe, you’re right; I didn’t get the reference. I’m afraid the old Star
Trek movies are too full of shatner for me to really appreciate them.

Good luck.
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Hey ab,
[color=blue]

I would do the same thing, if only the lousy mortgage company, IRS,
and utilities stinkers didn’t keep coming back demanding money.[/color]

And I still just shake my head at institutions that ask to have
something faxed to them. Fax machines and the people that run them
refuse to die.


Kim - 10/29/2012 9:47:08 AM

I know[color=blue]
I can just go to the new “start menu” (the live tiles home screen
thingy) and just start typing the name of an app, but I’m not sure just
how intuitive that is either.[/color]

I’ve seen numerous titanic debates about that in Linux as well.
Some folks are just fine with using the ‘Run’ dialog and the name of the
app. Problems arise when you don’t know the name of the app, maybe you are
looking for an app that might let you do what you need that shipped with
the OS, but you aren’t yet familiar with it. Does a person then resort to
Google, miraculously locate an app via some post and then know what to
search for? I mean app names are pretty much meaningless in themselves these
days, but that’s another story. I agree the interface needs work and I’m not
sure how much effort they are making to drag the ‘old desktop’ users along.
Which is really a larger problem server side. They certainly have spent a
bit of thought on how to inegrate the Microsoft stores into it, which I
suppose is where the money is.

I worked with it over the weekend and it runs as fast as the WinXP it
replaced on my old P4D 1.8 processor with 2GB of memory. App compatibility
has been pretty good but I think video and sound drivers need more work. My
onboard sound has a case of the snap crackle and pops and I get video
slowdowns in some cases. I received my first updates on Sunday although
honestly I couldn’t tell you what they were for, updating is apparently
‘stealth mode’ in Win8.

Don’t forget your free Windows 8 Media Center Pack add-on.[color=blue]

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs
[/color]
Why do I need that?

That’s what vmware is for… :slight_smile:

Sissy. Roll the dice baby! Risk your data!
Feel alive!

GofBorg wrote:
[color=blue]

I worked with it over the weekend and it runs as fast as the WinXP it
replaced on my old P4D 1.8 processor with 2GB of memory.[/color]

Since upgrade from Windows 7, I must say performance overall seems
better now with Windows 8. But that’s about the only good thing I have
to say about it.
[color=blue]

I received
my first updates on Sunday although honestly I couldn’t tell you what
they were for, updating is apparently ‘stealth mode’ in Win8.[/color]

Oh heck as soon as I finished the upgrade on Friday there were already
some Windows Updates for it. I set it up so that it notifies me of
updates but doesn’t install anything automatically.


Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

GofBorg wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs
[/color]
Why do I need that?[/color]

Do you plan on watching DVDs?


Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

[color=blue]

Do you plan on watching DVDs?[/color]

Can’t say I’ve ever viewed a DVD on a PC.
Maybe once.

Oh heck as soon as I finished the upgrade on Friday there were already[color=blue]
some Windows Updates for it. I set it up so that it notifies me of
updates but doesn’t install anything automatically.[/color]

I hope the updates keep coming and sort out some of the niggles.

GofBorg wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]

Do you plan on watching DVDs?[/color]

Can’t say I’ve ever viewed a DVD on a PC.
Maybe once.[/color]

Well if you want to even have the capability, you need the Media Center
add-on as on its own Win8 does not have the CODECs. It’s part of the
Media Center piece which normally costs $9.99 but is free right now
through January (or however long the $40 upgrade promo is going).


Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

kgroneman wrote:
[color=blue]

And I still just shake my head at institutions that ask to have
something faxed to them. Fax machines and the people that run them
refuse to die.[/color]

If a doctor’s office didn’t have a fax machine, it’s unlikely they
would ever get any referrals!


Kevin Boyle - Knowledge Partner
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Maybe Windows 9 will charge you for an update to get a start menu.


Kim - 10/30/2012 3:36:54 PM

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:37:45 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
[color=blue]

Maybe Windows 9 will charge you for an update to get a start menu.[/color]

I’m not sure there will be a windows9… android is set to be the
dominant OS by 2016, maybe it will be sooner now :wink:


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) Kernel 3.4.11-2.16-desktop
up 1 day 22:40, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.06, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU

malcolmlewis wrote:
[color=blue]

I’m not sure there will be a windows9… android is set to be the
dominant OS by 2016, maybe it will be sooner now ;)[/color]

ChromeOS FTW.


Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

Well MS is doing its best to eliminate Windows as a Viable OS with W8
(W…ait)

On 10/30/2012 5:51 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:[color=blue]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:37:45 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
[color=green]

Maybe Windows 9 will charge you for an update to get a start menu.[/color]

I’m not sure there will be a windows9… android is set to be the
dominant OS by 2016, maybe it will be sooner now :wink:

[/color]


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On 10/30/2012 5:37 PM, kgroneman wrote:[color=blue]

Maybe Windows 9 will charge you for an update to get a start menu.
[/color]

I am wondering if assuming they use similar naming as past server OSs
2012 R2 will have a suitable server UI instead of one designed for a tablet?