remove susestudio logo

On Mon, 21 May 2012 12:16:02 +0000, tertitten wrote:
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exactly what am I expecting except the possibility to debrand/use own
branding that makes you fall of your chair ?[/color]

Well, honestly, it’s the same thing that makes me fall out of my chair.
The idea (as I perceived it) that SUSE should give something access to
something this complex away for free and not expect anything in return
for it. Not even a “hey, look at what can be done with this free tool”
by putting a non-obtrusive logo on the appliance saying “this appliance
was built with our tool”.

That’s not a question of nerve or having a sturdy chair, it’s a question
of being floored that a service that requires a fair bit of
infrastructure to run but is provided at no cost shouldn’t expect that
people who use it accede to the one requirement that their appliances
identify that this free tool was used to build them.

I mean it really, really is a pretty sweet deal even with the branding
requirement, and that seems a very small price to pay for the use of a
tool that has a significant infrastructure behind it.

For those who want the flexibility to completely brand it themselves,
there’s a paid-for version that gives you that flexibility.

But to expect that a company that provides a tool for free have “no
strings attached” but pay for the hardware, infrastructure, support
staff, etc out of their own pocket and expect to give them nothing - not
even a little free advertising (which in general just draws more people
to the free tool anyways) seems just a bit unfair.

Perhaps you’d prefer that they charge a monthly fee for the service
instead?

Jim


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Jim, your not playing nice with good comments like these :slight_smile:

Anyway, I think the discussion has stalled, at least I don’t have any
more arguments to come up with, I still expect to be able to apply own
branding simply because what is the true spirit of open source and
linux, but I guess I have said that allready :slight_smile:

Cheers, and a good night…


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On Tue, 22 May 2012 00:36:02 +0000, tertitten wrote:
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Jim, your not playing nice with good comments like these :slight_smile:

Anyway, I think the discussion has stalled, at least I don’t have any
more arguments to come up with, I still expect to be able to apply own
branding simply because what is the true spirit of open source and
linux, but I guess I have said that allready :)[/color]

Well yeah, you have - and I’ve given you some guidance on how to remove
it in spite of my opinion. :slight_smile:

Jim


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On 2012-05-22 02:36, tertitten wrote:[color=blue]

Jim, your not playing nice with good comments like these :slight_smile:

Anyway, I think the discussion has stalled, at least I don’t have any
more arguments to come up with, I still expect to be able to apply own
branding simply because what is the true spirit of open source and
linux, but I guess I have said that allready :)[/color]

-1


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 05/22/2012 02:36 AM, tertitten wrote:[color=blue]

I still expect to be able to apply own branding simply because what
is the true spirit of open source and linux[/color]

this is really simple: in the spirit of open source and linux you are
very welcome to visit kernel.org and pick up a free and open kernel of
your choice, and then visit the all the other places necessary to pick
up the source code and compile the other pieces you need for your
appliances…

and then “just” put them all together exactly the way you want them, and
while doing so you may brand your appliance to your satisfaction…

or if you don’t want to put in the 200 hours (or more) of work that
might require, you may choose to use a simple, time saving, FREE tool
like SUSE Studio offered to you in the true spirit of open source and
linux…but, if you don’t like its branding you you should choose a
different tool to do what you need.

now, if you pay me my rate for those 200 hours i’ll . . .


dd

[QUOTE=dd@home.dk;4765]On 05/22/2012 02:36 AM, tertitten wrote:[color=blue]

I still expect to be able to apply own branding simply because what
is the true spirit of open source and linux[/color]

this is really simple: in the spirit of open source and linux you are
very welcome to visit kernel.org and pick up a free and open kernel of
your choice, and then visit the all the other places necessary to pick
up the source code and compile the other pieces you need for your
appliances…

and then “just” put them all together exactly the way you want them, and
while doing so you may brand your appliance to your satisfaction…

or if you don’t want to put in the 200 hours (or more) of work that
might require, you may choose to use a simple, time saving, FREE tool
like SUSE Studio offered to you in the true spirit of open source and
linux…but, if you don’t like its branding you you should choose a
different tool to do what you need.

now, if you pay me my rate for those 200 hours i’ll . . .


dd[/QUOTE]

+1 :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Willem

[QUOTE=tertitten;4753]You are also off-topic when mentioning kiwi. This thread is about
susestudio and branding, not kiwi.[/QUOTE]

Again we disagree… :slight_smile: I see this as on topic as I’m handing you a way to do this yourself so you can show the fruits of your labor.

Cheers,
Willem

OK guys, I give up lol!

It’s been one of these discussion that has been friendly all the way,
so I’ll stop here, since those discussions seems to be more rare these
days :slight_smile:

I am pretty satisfied to with my appliance, the gfxboot theme and
bootsplash are both custom branded for installed users, while the live
user still has the basedonopensuse branding which is fine.

In the start of my project I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with my
packages as I really assumed that if I made custom packages with custom
themes for bootsplash, gdm, gfxboot, etc it would overwrite the suse
branding… I quickly realized that my experience in working in other
derivatives didn’t count for nothing as the live session contains a
couple of scripts created by some other scripts that overrides your own
custom themes. This was surprising to me and unexpected and this is
where my ill feelings about susestudio overwriting my own packages came
from.

Anyway, I am satisfied with how it is now, and I really don’t want to
base my work on any other dristribution as I find the suse base to be
the most stable and versatile to work with.

I may look into Kiwi at a later point, but that is only because I guess
building locally makes more sense since it’s probably faster, and I
don’t have to constantly download iso’s to test them properly.

Off Topic: I talked to someone on IRC about the documentation for
susestudio being outdated, apparently suse are moving all documentation
to a new base or plattform, hence the documentation will probably not be
updated for a while (if I understood correctly that is)

It would be nice to have some updated documentation, especially as far
as what to expect and not to expect from susestudio. For example, I am
not the only one that has had wrong expectancy as far as branding goes,
a quick search in the forums gives you a pretty good idea of how many
people that actually expects it. This is only one example of “wrong”
expectancy, I am sure there are more.

The gnome documentation is terribly outdated, does anything in that
documentation even work any longer?
In my opinion it should be removed at once with a notice that updated
documentation are coming soon.
Personally I knew a long time ago that it was outdated so the “wrong”
documentation hasn’t affected me, but I think it’s a shame it’s there
where it may confuse people.

Just some thoughts


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i am ok with logo.
but it decreases the image quality.
i guess it saves jpg with quality 80-85 or something.
i always save pictures at least 95 or higher.


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On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:26:03 +0000, tony almeida wrote:
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i am ok with logo.
but it decreases the image quality.
i guess it saves jpg with quality 80-85 or something.
i always save pictures at least 95 or higher.[/color]

At least in SUSE Studio onsite, the quality used is 100 in some cases, 97
in others. Just had a look.

Jim


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