On Tue, 08 May 2012 18:26:02 +0000, tertitten wrote:
Let’s just disagree :)[/color]
No doubt we will.
Let me ask you something, when was the last time you heard about a
successful Desktop derivative of openSUSE ?[/color]
openSUSE Medical and the education derivitive immediately come to mind.
When was the last time you read a review of a Desktop derivative based
on openSUSE ?[/color]
I don’t often go looking for reviews of derivitives.
When was the last time you actually read an excited blog about
susestudio, where the blogger has only positive stuff to say?[/color]
Again, not something I go looking for, but it is something that I’ve
talked to people about and in general, people are very impressed with it.
I’ve read a few blogs about susestudio, but there is always a but in
it… usually something like “but I could not created/remove the
branding” You may think that this does not matter for anyone else than
me, but I promise I’m not the only one that are “thinking about”
changing the base, many have allready to i.e fedora or ubuntu which
gives those distros positive results as more people actually discovers
those distros simply trough they’re derivatives.[/color]
So let me see if I understand - people discover Ubuntu or Fedora through
a derivative not because it’s branded, but because they ‘discover’ it?
Seems like making it clear that it’s a derivative would help with that
In my opinion openSUSE, susestudio (free and commercial) and suse would
benefit massively thanks to successful derivatives, it would show that
both openSUSE and susestudio is extremely flexible… It will never
happen as long as you can’t do everything you want with the original
opensuse images for free… It just want, and it hasn’
t. Simply because people wants something that seems professional from
the very first boot to an installed desktop, having “built in
susestudio” logos everywhere does not inspire people to try your
Here’s something that we perhaps do agree on - that having the freedom to
do it is in the spirit of OSS in general.
But I have a hard time understanding why people who love openSUSE and
SUSE enough to use it as a base have a problem with advertising that they
used something they love /as/ a base.
How do I know this?
Well, again I know because of all the reviews I’ve read where the
branding seems uninspired And the number one complaint on my own
appliance is the basedonopensuse branding.
I want it removed, and I don’t want my derivative officially released
before it is removed, I don’t want my hundreds of hours of work seem
like it’s just something trown together in a few hours.[/color]
I don’t think it says “I spent no time building this”. It says that you
used a professional-grade tool for building it. It says that you’re
smart enough to know that you don’t have to re-invent the wheel to build
a base OS.
There’s nothing wrong with doing things the easy way. I’m guessing that
your appliance isn’t about the Linux OS or kernel, but about some
application or suite of applications that you want to put together and
make them easy for someone to use.
So using a tool like Studio says that you put care into what was
important for your appliance - and you left the configuration of the base
to something that is reliable and solid for doing that.
I’m not sure if I explain the problem well enough, and it may seem like
bagatelle’s but it’s really not for allot of us using susestudio, just
check the forums and the mailinglists.[/color]
If you mean the Studio forums/mailing lists, they’re one and the same
thing. If you mean this forum, I’m here pretty much daily.
Having successful derivatives based on openSUSE would only be beneficial
This is something else we agree on.
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell Knowledge Partner