On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:37:55 +0000, ab wrote:
[color=blue]
So for a little system, $1,124.92
Good luck.[/color]
Not bad - here’s the system case/mobo I’m looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101117
Nice small case, lower power consumption - though it looks like the free
SSD offer is over now (it was only 60 GB, but still, as a boot drive that
would’ve been nice).
Jim
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Novell Knowledge Partner
Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=blue]
That’s good to know - I’m planning to build a virtualization server
myself (for KVM, though) and am probably going to get a Shuttle
miniature case/mobo from Newegg for it - but the processor was up in
the air. If it’ll take the non-K, that’s what I’ll get if it’ll fit
the socket.The shuttle case is nice because it’s small, but the mobo included
takes up to 32 GB of RAM - I figure I can build the system out for
about $1K.[/color]
My entire system cost about $475 with 16GB of RAM (add another $70 to
take it to 32GB). Granted I didn’t have to buy a hard drive because I
had one laying around but even if I had to buy one the entire price
would have still been under $600.
MSI Z77A-G41 motherboard: $65
Intel Core i7-3770 CPU: $260
16GB Corsair Vengeance RAM (1600MHz, CL10): $70
Refurbished DVD-ROM drive: $10
Diablotek EVO case: $35
Coolermaster 500W power supply: $35
There’s no video card in there either as I’m just using the built-in
Intel video that’s part of the CPU. For ESXi it’s more than enough.
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ab wrote:
[color=blue]
Had a friend price out a box for me for the same purpose (KVM server):
EVGA GeForce GTX 650 01G-P4-2650-KR Video Card
Item #:N82E16814130827
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy $109.99[/color]
If it’s just a KVM server, do you even need a video card? Don’t the
AMD CPUs have integrated ATI video in them now?
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I just picked up 16GB in 4x4GB chunks…so that Later I’ll add another 16 to
get 32gb…now all i need are a few other hard drives…and i’ll be
good…with a “real” server
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
[/color][/color]
Paul Lamontagne wrote:
[color=green]
I just picked up a Dell 2950 Dual quad core Server…using SAS
drives…very quick…It can hold 32 GB of ram and you can get extra
146GB drives relatively cheap…I paid 250 for a box with 12 GB of
ram and 2 146GB drives…drives…I’ll be adding more ram and
drives but this is great as a start[/color]Wow that’s cheaper, cheaper than what I’d build, where did you find it?[/color]
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I checked the mobo specs; guess not on the video card. Oh well; not a
big deal. Maybe I’ll try to find a less-great one since I honestly
never push them even to 3D stuff.
Good luck.
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 00:17:17 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
[color=blue]
Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=green]That’s good to know - I’m planning to build a virtualization server
myself (for KVM, though) and am probably going to get a Shuttle
miniature case/mobo from Newegg for it - but the processor was up in
the air. If it’ll take the non-K, that’s what I’ll get if it’ll fit
the socket.The shuttle case is nice because it’s small, but the mobo included
takes up to 32 GB of RAM - I figure I can build the system out for
about $1K.[/color]My entire system cost about $475 with 16GB of RAM (add another $70 to
take it to 32GB). Granted I didn’t have to buy a hard drive because I
had one laying around but even if I had to buy one the entire price
would have still been under $600.MSI Z77A-G41 motherboard: $65 Intel Core i7-3770 CPU: $260 16GB Corsair
Vengeance RAM (1600MHz, CL10): $70 Refurbished DVD-ROM drive: $10
Diablotek EVO case: $35 Coolermaster 500W power supply: $35There’s no video card in there either as I’m just using the built-in
Intel video that’s part of the CPU. For ESXi it’s more than enough.[/color]
Nice, I may have to rethink my project and see if the form factor you’re
using would work for me.
Jim
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Novell Knowledge Partner
On 12/7/2012 4:20 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:40:51 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
[color=green]In the end I went with the MSI Z77A-G41 mATX board and Intel Core i7
3770 (non-K). I didn’t realize that the non-K version actually includes
additional virtualization features making it almost identical to the E3
1245v2, and also the exact same price.[/color]That’s good to know - I’m planning to build a virtualization server
myself (for KVM, though) and am probably going to get a Shuttle miniature
case/mobo from Newegg for it - but the processor was up in the air. If
it’ll take the non-K, that’s what I’ll get if it’ll fit the socket.The shuttle case is nice because it’s small, but the mobo included takes
up to 32 GB of RAM - I figure I can build the system out for about $1K.
[/color]
My on and off ESX server is based on this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131670
It’s ATX sized so fits in a standard mid tower case, and it runs fast
and quiet. CPU’s for it are available on ebay for $140. 12 Core server
with upto 128GB of RAM for not a lot of money.
H.
Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=blue]
Nice, I may have to rethink my project and see if the form factor
you’re using would work for me.[/color]
I actually have a larger case than I need, having bought an ATX case a
few months ago. Had I realized I was going to buy an mATX motherboard
I would have just bought an mATX case.
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 15:22:43 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
[color=blue]
Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=green]Nice, I may have to rethink my project and see if the form factor
you’re using would work for me.[/color]I actually have a larger case than I need, having bought an ATX case a
few months ago. Had I realized I was going to buy an mATX motherboard I
would have just bought an mATX case.[/color]
Ah, I see.
Part of my goal is to minimize space as well, but I don’t know if that’s
worth an extra $400 or so.
Jim
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Novell Knowledge Partner
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 15:12:13 +0000, Haitch wrote:
[color=blue]
On 12/7/2012 4:20 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green]
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:40:51 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
[color=darkred]In the end I went with the MSI Z77A-G41 mATX board and Intel Core i7
3770 (non-K). I didn’t realize that the non-K version actually
includes additional virtualization features making it almost identical
to the E3 1245v2, and also the exact same price.[/color]That’s good to know - I’m planning to build a virtualization server
myself (for KVM, though) and am probably going to get a Shuttle
miniature case/mobo from Newegg for it - but the processor was up in
the air. If it’ll take the non-K, that’s what I’ll get if it’ll fit
the socket.The shuttle case is nice because it’s small, but the mobo included
takes up to 32 GB of RAM - I figure I can build the system out for
about $1K.[/color]
My on and off ESX server is based on this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131670It’s ATX sized so fits in a standard mid tower case, and it runs fast
and quiet. CPU’s for it are available on ebay for $140. 12 Core server
with upto 128GB of RAM for not a lot of money.[/color]
Nice.
Though I notice it uses AMD - I have been thinking Intel because my
experience with Intel has been pretty good (I’ve currently got two of
each) - but in terms of performance for virtualization, I’m honestly not
clear on which CPU has the biggest performance advantage.
Jim
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Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell Knowledge Partner
On 12/8/2012 1:53 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=blue]
Though I notice it uses AMD - I have been thinking Intel because my
experience with Intel has been pretty good (I’ve currently got two of
each) - but in terms of performance for virtualization, I’m honestly not
clear on which CPU has the biggest performance advantage.[/color]
I like the AMD because
H.
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:20:55 +0000, Haitch wrote:
[color=blue]
On 12/8/2012 1:53 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=green]Though I notice it uses AMD - I have been thinking Intel because my
experience with Intel has been pretty good (I’ve currently got two of
each) - but in terms of performance for virtualization, I’m honestly
not clear on which CPU has the biggest performance advantage.[/color]I like the AMD because - Two hex core AMD’s cost less than a single
Intel Hex core Xeon - 12 real cores vs 6 real + 6 HT.
- It can use standard desktop memory, or registered ECC memory.
- Under full load it draws < 250W from the wall. Very low running cost.
New Xeons are better on the power draw, but at the time I got it a dual
Xeon was drawing > 500, and required horribly expensive fb-dimms.[/color]
That’s good to know. 
Jim
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Novell Knowledge Partner
Jim,
On 08.12.2012 20:53, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]
Though I notice it uses AMD - I have been thinking Intel because my
experience with Intel has been pretty good (I’ve currently got two of
each) - but in terms of performance for virtualization, I’m honestly not
clear on which CPU has the biggest performance advantage.[/color]
CPU performance is usually your least concern on a VMWare host. It’s all
about I/O performance first, especially I/O per second (less so
sequential I/O).
I’m running 5 Servers at home (one Netware, 4 OES running a two node
lcuster and ZCM in there) on an oldish 3GHz quad-core AMD. Whenever I
notice a performance decrease, it’s always I/O (running 4 SATA drives
in the 1TB range). The combined cpus hardly ever reach 50% load, unless
one of the guests has a real problem (i.e hangs).
Massimo Rosen
Novell Knowledge Partner
No emails please!
http://www.cfc-it.de
On 12/8/2012 2:53 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]
On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 15:12:13 +0000, Haitch wrote:
[color=green]On 12/7/2012 4:20 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=darkred]
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:40:51 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:
In the end I went with the MSI Z77A-G41 mATX board and Intel Core i7
3770 (non-K). I didn’t realize that the non-K version actually
includes additional virtualization features making it almost identical
to the E3 1245v2, and also the exact same price.That’s good to know - I’m planning to build a virtualization server
myself (for KVM, though) and am probably going to get a Shuttle
miniature case/mobo from Newegg for it - but the processor was up in
the air. If it’ll take the non-K, that’s what I’ll get if it’ll fit
the socket.The shuttle case is nice because it’s small, but the mobo included
takes up to 32 GB of RAM - I figure I can build the system out for
about $1K.[/color]
My on and off ESX server is based on this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131670It’s ATX sized so fits in a standard mid tower case, and it runs fast
and quiet. CPU’s for it are available on ebay for $140. 12 Core server
with upto 128GB of RAM for not a lot of money.[/color]Nice.
Though I notice it uses AMD - I have been thinking Intel because my
experience with Intel has been pretty good (I’ve currently got two of
each) - but in terms of performance for virtualization, I’m honestly not
clear on which CPU has the biggest performance advantage.Jim
[/color]
The other concern is portability. Sometimes you can’t successfully move
a VM from a host with a Intel CPU to say one with AMD and vice versa.
Also I used a lot of AMD CPUs in the past but they are imploding. It
sure would be nice to have robust competition to Intel as in the past
but AMD got stuck in the mud with some serious design flaws on I forget
which architecture and never got back up to speed.
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[color=blue]
CPU performance is usually your least concern on a VMWare host. It’s
all about I/O performance first, especially I/O per second (less so
sequential I/O).I’m running 5 Servers at home (one Netware, 4 OES running a two node
lcuster and ZCM in there) on an oldish 3GHz quad-core AMD. Whenever
I notice a performance decrease, it’s always I/O (running 4 SATA
drives in the 1TB range). The combined cpus hardly ever reach 50%
load, unless one of the guests has a real problem (i.e hangs).[/color]
Exactly. My laptop is currently my best VM host and not because it has
the most memory or fastest processor, but because everything flies from
my SSD using SATA 3.
For that reason I"d like to do fun things with my disk storage… all of
my current disks (or parts of disk which are being changed) on my SSDs
in a server and then the rest on the big ugly slow spinning drives which
will hopefully just be cached anyway as much as necessary.
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On 12/9/2012 10:59 AM, George wrote:
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The other concern is portability. Sometimes you can’t successfully move
a VM from a host with a Intel CPU to say one with AMD and vice versa.
[/color]
You can’t vmotion a running VM from Intel to AMD, or the other way, but
I’ve never had a problem cold migrating from one to the other.
H.
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Well come on, don’t tease us; what are the rest of the components?
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On 12/9/2012 11:53 AM, ab wrote:[color=blue]
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Hash: SHA1Well come on, don’t tease us; what are the rest of the components?[/color]
Other ESX host
(Want to get more, but yet to find “cheap” FB-DIMMs)iSCSI “SAN” (current version)
Gigabyte X58A-UD7
Intel i980 Hexcore
18GB RAM (3 * 4GB + 3 * 2GB @ 1600MHz)
“Hot Lava” 6 port Gb ethernet for iSCSI
Onboard NIC for management
Seasonic 750W P/S (Needs to be replaced - gets very noisy under heavy
load)
Runs NAS4Free to present ZFS volumes via iSCSI
ZFS-Single datapool (Raid 5 equivalent)
6 * 500GB drives for Data
25GB SSD partition for ZIL
75GB (3 * 25GB) Raid 0 Partition for read cache.
The SSD drives are on a 100GB PCIe OCZ card - 4 * 25GB
I’m building a variation of the above for use at work (portable SAN for
backing up client ESX servers prior to upgrades, POC test storage,
internal testing storage etc):
Around 20TB usable for around $3,000.
ab wrote:
[color=blue]
Exactly. My laptop is currently my best VM host and not because it
has the most memory or fastest processor, but because everything
flies from my SSD using SATA 3.For that reason I"d like to do fun things with my disk storage… all
of my current disks (or parts of disk which are being changed) on my
SSDs in a server and then the rest on the big ugly slow spinning
drives which will hopefully just be cached anyway as much as[/color]
If you want to same some cash and deal with a bit less performance you
could always go with a Western Digital 7200rpm drive with 64MB cache.
Or there’s even their Velociraptor line which is 10krpm. I can
personally vouch for the Velociraptors as being noticeably faster than
your typical 5400 rpm drive.
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Joseph Marton wrote:
[color=blue]
I can
personally vouch for the Velociraptors as being noticeably faster than
your typical 5400 rpm drive.[/color]
Who uses 5400 rpm drives and expects performance?
Seagate has some nice 4 TB 7200 rpm drives…
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