Adobe is silly

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Well, I think we all know that - heehee. But here’s the latest silliness.

Joe got a Mac on Saturday. He owns Photoshop CS5 for Windows. I actually own
the entire CS5 suite for Mac, and technically I can install it on two Macs, but
Joe doesn’t need the entire suite, and you never know when you’ll need to
install it again, right? So, since he owns a Windows license I get online and
do a chat to see if it can be swapped. I give the rep the serial number, etc.
and he sends me to a form for doing a “swap”.

We first get an email back that it’s being looked at, with standard verbage that
swaps can only be done within 30 days of purchase (it’s been 13 months!), and
that the old software must be destroyed, etc. It was a download.

Yesterday we got the followup message. They cannot “swap” the product, because
it’s been more than 30 days. They did offer though that Joe can “return” the
downloadable product for a refund, and then purchase a new copy. Huh? The two
products cost exactly the same. Now, if they wish to “prorate” some kind of
cost for the one year of usage, that will be interesting. I’ve asked them about
it. In any event, it just seems to me like it’s a lot of “paperwork” to end up
with the same product in a different OS - heehee.

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Yup that sounds pretty silly to me!

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Google: gimp

Just send me the license fee for it once you get it installed.

Good luck.
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:33:33 GMT
ab ab@novell.com wrote:
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Google: gimp

Just send me the license fee for it once you get it installed.
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Hi
And the light-weight version is pinta… they need mac testers…
http://pinta-project.com/

PS, just send the license fee to Aaron…

Then there is mypaint (I’m one of the openSUSE Maintainers)
http://mypaint.intilinux.com/

Again, send the license fee to Aaron…he

Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.0-1.2-desktop
up 13:09, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.05
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU

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I remember many (many many) years ago I worked for a company and had the
job or sorting out their licensing. We found an enormous pile of
Microsoft licenses, but by looking at them there was no way of knowing
what they were for. We rang Microsoft and they had no idea either, they
just asked us what we wanted them to be licenses for. We said Office
Professional please and they happily registered them. Somehow I don’t
think they’d be so lax today.

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On 05.01.2012 16:33, ab wrote:[color=blue]

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Google: gimp

Just send me the license fee for it once you get it installed.[/color]

Comparing Gimp to Photoshop CS is like comparing DOS to Netware.

CU,

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That’s a pretty common claim that I’ve heard, but so is comparing a
Maserati to a Ford Pinto. Does Joe have somewhere he can go 300 km/h or
faster? Is he really going to need the features that make the Photoshop
snobs…, er, purists need Photoshop over something like Gimp? Maybe.
Does 99.999% of the population? No. Having used both I can’t tell the
difference (I, too, do not have a Maserati, or a need to drive one, even
figuratively in this sense).

Good luck.
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0000, ab wrote:
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Having used both I can’t tell the difference[/color]

The biggest difference is that GIMP can’t handle high enough colour depth
for professionals. That’s been a long-standing issue with it, and if Joe
does professional design, that limitation would be significant.

Jim

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On 05.01.2012 18:00, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0000, ab wrote:
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Having used both I can’t tell the difference[/color]

The biggest difference is that GIMP can’t handle high enough colour depth
for professionals. That’s been a long-standing issue with it, and if Joe
does professional design, that limitation would be significant.[/color]

Not quite. It’s an issue (actually, a showstopper) for anybody aiming
for quality results. I wouldn’t take pictures with a 4MP P&S camera, and
I wouldn’t touch pictures with gimp. It’s akin to a music pro doing all
their mixing of tracks with MP3 files instead of 24bit 92khz
uncompressed tracks.

CU,

Massimo Rosen
Novell Knowledge Partner
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:07:10 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
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On 05.01.2012 18:00, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green]

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0000, ab wrote:
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Having used both I can’t tell the difference[/color]

The biggest difference is that GIMP can’t handle high enough colour
depth for professionals. That’s been a long-standing issue with it,
and if Joe does professional design, that limitation would be
significant.[/color]

Not quite. It’s an issue (actually, a showstopper) for anybody aiming
for quality results.[/color]

Depends on the quality you want and how you define “quality”. I have
used the GIMP for editing/touching up camera images and have had very
good results. But I also tend to capture in RAW format, and use dcraw to
import into the GIMP - most of my adjustments are done in dcraw (or ufraw,
which is the front-end I use). It also deals with dead pixels quite
effectively.
[color=blue]

I wouldn’t take pictures with a 4MP P&S camera, and
I wouldn’t touch pictures with gimp. It’s akin to a music pro doing all
their mixing of tracks with MP3 files instead of 24bit 92khz
uncompressed tracks.[/color]

Again, depends on what the desired results are.

Jim

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On 05/01/2012 14:53, DZanre wrote:
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Yesterday we got the followup message. They cannot “swap” the product, because
it’s been more than 30 days. They did offer though that Joe can “return” the
downloadable product for a refund, and then purchase a new copy. Huh? The two
products cost exactly the same. Now, if they wish to “prorate” some kind of
cost for the one year of usage, that will be interesting. I’ve asked them about
it. In any event, it just seems to me like it’s a lot of “paperwork” to end up
with the same product in a different OS - heehee.[/color]

Does he need the full PhotoShop? Would Elements not suffice?

HTH.

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Simon Flood wrote:
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Does he need the full PhotoShop? Would Elements not suffice?[/color]

He has both - and honestly as much as he paid for PhotoShop I want him to at
least get a license we can use on something here! He didn’t realize that with
“students” in our house, there are great discounts to be had from Adobe.

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ab wrote:
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Does Joe have somewhere he can go 300 km/h or faster? Is he really going to
need the features that make the Photoshop snobs…, er, purists need Photoshop
over something like Gimp?[/color]

Well, he is becoming a bit of a photography nut, and has taken multiple
Photoshop courses, etc. It’s something he likes doing, and it keeps him out of
the bars . . . .

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jamesgosling wrote:
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We said Office Professional please and they happily registered them. Somehow I
don’t think they’d be so lax today.[/color]

Heehee

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Jim,

On 05.01.2012 18:15, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]

Depends on the quality you want and how you define “quality”.[/color]

The quality anybody expects that’s currently using Photoshop (CS). :wink:

I’m pretty active in several photo related communities. Nobody uses
Gimp. Not even the Linux users (of which there are quite a few). I also
read a lot of magazines and thus tests of picture editing software.
If Gimp is included in those tests, it comes in a distant last. I
can’t remember any test with a different result in the last 5 years.

I know it hurts some die-hard Linux geeks, but just because something is
the only software available on Linux for a given task, doesn’t mean it’s
actually good or even up to it.

Quite seriously, I don’t know for whom Gimp would be a good choice. For
casual users it’s way too big and complex, and for enthusiasts and pros
it simply doesn’t cut it.

CU,

Massimo Rosen
Novell Knowledge Partner
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:19:43 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
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Jim,

On 05.01.2012 18:15, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green]

Depends on the quality you want and how you define “quality”.[/color]

The quality anybody expects that’s currently using Photoshop (CS). :wink:

I’m pretty active in several photo related communities. Nobody uses
Gimp. Not even the Linux users (of which there are quite a few). I also
read a lot of magazines and thus tests of picture editing software.
If Gimp is included in those tests, it comes in a distant last. I
can’t remember any test with a different result in the last 5 years.[/color]

That’s fair.
[color=blue]

I know it hurts some die-hard Linux geeks, but just because something is
the only software available on Linux for a given task, doesn’t mean it’s
actually good or even up to it.[/color]

Doesn’t hurt me at all. I use the GIMP and it meets my needs.
[color=blue]

Quite seriously, I don’t know for whom Gimp would be a good choice. For
casual users it’s way too big and complex, and for enthusiasts and pros
it simply doesn’t cut it.[/color]

Well, as I said, it’s a good choice for me - it’s what I have, what I’m
comfortable with using, and it’s what has met my needs. One of my
needs: Not spending money on software that I would only occasionally
use. :slight_smile:

Jim

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Novell Knowledge Partner

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Jim Henderson wrote:
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One of my needs: Not spending money on software that I would only
occasionally use. :)[/color]

And that’s a perfectly fair reason to use it.

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http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/

simplistic, but not an unuseful comparison

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Jim,

On 06.01.2012 00:35, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]

Well, as I said, it’s a good choice for me - it’s what I have, what I’m
comfortable with using, and it’s what has met my needs. One of my
needs: Not spending money on software that I would only occasionally
use. :)[/color]

I know many users that use inferiour software just because they’re used
to it, and it’s “free”. Can you say Outlook (Express)? :wink:

Of course that’s fine.

But suggesting to drop something vastly superiour that someone else is
already used to and owns, like Aaron did here for the sake of some very
personal, political and emotional OS(S) preference is beyond me.

That’s what sometimes really stirs me up with the OSS community. Yes,
the Gimp is an impressive piece of software considering where it comes
from, as is Linux itself, MySQL, Aapche or other OSS software. But just
because it’s OSS doesn’t mean it’s better, or the answer to all
questions. Some reality check would sometimes help. There are reasons
why such an enormous majority of desktop users use windows and macs
instead of Linux. It’s not because they’re all stupid, but it’s because
the amount of higher quality software (paid and free) for almost every
task at hand is simply dwarfing linux. And no, this time david doesn’t
stand the slightest chance vs. goliath.

The reason why macs had a chance vs. windows? Because although the sheer
amount of available software is and always was tiny compared with
windows, they always had at least one top notch, professional (and
commercial) offering, that could easily take it up with the best
software available on windows (and there also usually was at least one
"good enough, cheap offering).
Photoshop is just one prime example. There is no software for linux
that can even remotely compete with PS, fact. Thus, for anybody being
serious about picture editing, linux isn’t the right choice, period. I’m
tired of linux fanboys denying that simple and overwhelmingly obvious
fact (not targeted at you). This is and always was one of linux core
problems in the desktop market. The denial of the community that there
are (many) things the “other side” simply does much better.

CU,

Massimo Rosen
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Gimp was good enough for Google, they created their iconic logo with
it.

:cool:

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