I’m going to be a rebel here. I use Corel Paintshop Pro. It’s a LOT
cheaper than Photoshop and a LOT easier to use than GIMP. It simply
fits my needs as I’m not big into photo editing, but do do it from time
to time as well as create some graphics on occasion and PSP does a
great job for me.
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Kim - 1/6/2012 9:54:00 AM
it. In any event, it just seems to me like it’s a lot of “paperwork” to[color=blue]
end up with the same product in a different OS - heehee.[/color]
At least they are letting you do it. I know some other providers would tell
you to stuff it and buy a new license. Just sayin’.
GofBorg wrote:
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At least they are letting you do it. I know some other providers would tell
you to stuff it and buy a new license. Just sayin’.[/color]
Well I’m not sure that’s the case yet either! Got another email today to phone
them, because both of the messages they’ve sent me were incorrect. Honestly,
I’ve not had ONE vendor ever tell me that I had to purchase a new license when I
moved from Windows to Mac. So, if Adobe does it now, they will be the bad guys.
In fact, many of the cross-platform companies I work with don’t have separate
Windows and Mac licenses. The license is for the “product” no matter where I
run it.
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Michael Bell,
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http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/
simplistic, but not an unuseful comparison[/color]
I was hoping to see something there that would confirm or refute
Massimo’s contention that GIMP is incapable of doing quality photo
editing. Oh well.
Douglas Black wrote:
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I was hoping to see something there that would confirm or refute Massimo’s
contention that GIMP is incapable of doing quality photo editing. Oh well.[/color]
It seemed to be more geared towards “graphic design” scenarios rather than photo
editing scenarios.
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:54:46 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
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Jim,
On 06.01.2012 00:35, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green]
Well, as I said, it’s a good choice for me - it’s what I have, what I’m
comfortable with using, and it’s what has met my needs. One of my
needs: Not spending money on software that I would only occasionally
use. :)[/color]I know many users that use inferiour software just because they’re used
to it, and it’s “free”. Can you say Outlook (Express)? ;)[/color]
I don’t know that it’s a fair comparison to call GIMP in the same class
as Outlook Express, but whatever.
[color=blue]
I’m
tired of linux fanboys denying that simple and overwhelmingly obvious
fact (not targeted at you). This is and always was one of linux core
problems in the desktop market. The denial of the community that there
are (many) things the “other side” simply does much better.[/color]
When you’re a niche market that’s trying to expand, that “denial” isn’t
really denial, but one of a few tools to try to grow the market to the
point of being relevant enough for someone like Adobe to make an
investment in porting their software to the platform.
Getting a new desktop platform to grow is a tricky thing, since it gains
market share by having applications, but applications don’t get developed
unless the platform is popular. As you know, this makes things a little
difficult.
So the question isn’t “is the GIMP as good as PS”, it’s “is the GIMP good
enough for what the user is trying to accomplish”. Not everyone needs
PS for their graphics editing needs. Just like not everybody needs a
high performance car to drive to work in.
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell Knowledge Partner
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:24:51 +0000, Michael Bell wrote:
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http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/
simplistic, but not an unuseful comparison[/color]
No, but kinda misses the point that not everyone needs something as
powerful as Photoshop.
Jim
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Novell Knowledge Partner
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:52:55 +0000, DZanre wrote:
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Jim Henderson wrote:
[color=green]One of my needs: Not spending money on software that I would only
occasionally use. :)[/color]And that’s a perfectly fair reason to use it.[/color]
That it’s “good enough” for my needs certainly adds to that. 
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell Knowledge Partner
On 1/6/2012 6:40 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:24:51 +0000, Michael Bell wrote:
[color=green]http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/
simplistic, but not an unuseful comparison[/color]
No, but kinda misses the point that not everyone needs something as
powerful as Photoshop.Jim
[/color]
I guess you’ve lost the ability to read Jim
“All that said, I use Gimp way more often. Why? Because it does the job,
itâs free, doesnât use up much memory, and I donât have to keep track of
licensing information. Besides, though Photoshop does a lot more, Gimp
does infinitely more than most graphic artists will ever need.”
Seems pretty on point t’me.
mrosen;2165364 Wrote:[color=blue]
Comparing Gimp to Photoshop CS is like comparing DOS to Netware.[/color]
That may be, but what is the basis for your comparison?
Photoshop is a very capable product that requires a degree of expertise
to fully utilize its capabilities. While it may stand head and shoulders
above the competition, it may not be the best tool for the job when you
take into account the needs and the skill of the user.
You don’t need to install NetWare to create a text file.
Just my two cents…
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:28:14 +0000, Michael Bell wrote:
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On 1/6/2012 6:40 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green]
On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:24:51 +0000, Michael Bell wrote:
[color=darkred]http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/
simplistic, but not an unuseful comparison[/color]
No, but kinda misses the point that not everyone needs something as
powerful as Photoshop.Jim
[/color]
I guess you’ve lost the ability to read Jim
No, I skimmed the article.
[color=blue]
“All that said, I use Gimp way more often. Why? Because it does the job,
itâs free, doesnât use up much memory, and I donât have to keep track of
licensing information. Besides, though Photoshop does a lot more, Gimp
does infinitely more than most graphic artists will ever need.”Seems pretty on point t’me.[/color]
Indeed, that does.
Jim
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Novell Knowledge Partner
On 07.01.2012 17:26, KBOYLE wrote:[color=blue]
mrosen;2165364 Wrote:[color=green]
Comparing Gimp to Photoshop CS is like comparing DOS to Netware.[/color]
That may be, but what is the basis for your comparison?Photoshop is a very capable product that requires a degree of expertise
to fully utilize its capabilities. While it may stand head and shoulders
above the competition, it may not be the best tool for the job when you
take into account the needs and the skill of the user.[/color]
The necessary skills aren’t less with Gimp, it’s not like it’s an easy
to use, simple and intuitive program. It’s every little bit as
complicated as PS (many say even more), but much less capable.
Massimo Rosen
Novell Knowledge Partner
No emails please!
http://www.cfc-it.de
[color=blue][color=green]
And that’s a perfectly fair reason to use it.[/color]
That it’s “good enough” for my needs certainly adds to that.
[/color]
You worked for MaryJo way to long…
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Paul
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:08:51 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
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The necessary skills aren’t less with Gimp, it’s not like it’s an easy
to use, simple and intuitive program.[/color]
But Massimo, that’s largely true of any particularly complex piece of
software. But once you learn the interface and become comfortable with
it, then it becomes easy to use.
Take the rather classic case of Blender 3D. Its UI is atrocious and it
is (or used to be, as things have changed somewhat) a very complex piece
of software that’s very difficult to use.
But those users who use it professionally (which is actually where it got
its start) find it to be the most productive way to do their work.
Framemaker is another example - it’s extremely complicated software,
particularly if you get into modifying it, but once you learn how to use
it (particularly structured Framemaker), writing becomes a lot easier.
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell Knowledge Partner
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:56:26 +0000, Paul Lamontagne wrote:
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And that’s a perfectly fair reason to use it.[/color]
That it’s “good enough” for my needs certainly adds to that.
[/color]
You worked for MaryJo way to long… :-)[/color]
I’ve been through project management training and am familiar with the
Pareto Principle, and I’ve been around software development long enough
to know that if you try to achieve perfection, you never ship a product.
Jim
–
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell Knowledge Partner
hendersj;2165933 Wrote:[color=blue]
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:08:51 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
[color=green]The necessary skills aren’t less with Gimp, it’s not like it’s an[/color]
easy[color=green]
to use, simple and intuitive program.[/color]But once you learn the interface and become comfortable with it, then
it becomes easy to use.[/color]
As I read this Photoshop vs Gimp comparison the expression that comes
to mind is -flogging a dead horse!- One’s familiarity with a particular
program counts for a lot (witness the reluctance of many people to
embrace Linux). The fact is, I agree with both points of view.
When it comes to a hands-down comparison between Photoshop and Gimp, I
have to agree with Massimo. You can’t beat Photoshop. On the other hand,
the final result depends, to a large extent, on the skill of the user
and his familiarity with a particular program. If you already have and
know how to use a particular program -and it can get the job done- then
I agree with Jim. You go with what you know.
And, by the way, this has nothing to do with Adobe being silly! Does
anyone disagree? 
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On 08.01.2012 20:40, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue]
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:08:51 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
[color=green]The necessary skills aren’t less with Gimp, it’s not like it’s an easy
to use, simple and intuitive program.[/color]But Massimo, that’s largely true of any particularly complex piece of
software. But once you learn the interface and become comfortable with
it, then it becomes easy to use.[/color]
Yes, and I don’t debate that. I was answering Kevins comment, which
sounded like Gimp would be much easier than PS, which it surely isn’t.
Massimo Rosen
Novell Knowledge Partner
No emails please!
http://www.cfc-it.de
When purchased off of the Volume licensing programs, Adobe licenses
include a key for both Windows and Mac versions. I would hope they’ll
work with you on a single retail purchase.
On 1/6/2012 2:32 PM, DZanre wrote:[color=blue]
Well I’m not sure that’s the case yet either! Got another email today to phone
them, because both of the messages they’ve sent me were incorrect. Honestly,
I’ve not had ONE vendor ever tell me that I had to purchase a new license when I
moved from Windows to Mac. So, if Adobe does it now, they will be the bad guys.
In fact, many of the cross-platform companies I work with don’t have separate
Windows and Mac licenses. The license is for the “product” no matter where I
run it.
[/color]
unsigned wrote:
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I would hope they’ll work with you on a single retail purchase.[/color]
In theory this is complete. I haven’t received the email with the new license
number yet, but I do have an order number itself.
Of course it took 45 minutes on the phone (not on hold, on the phone) to process
a switch from a Windows license to a Mac license.
Speaking of “on hold”, which I phone Adobe it wa 12:13 p.m. I was told that I
had a 30-40 minute hold time, and that they could phone me back, but I opted to
hold. I was connected in 3 minutes! Probably everyone else gives up and says
call back or hangs up, and the brave get through!
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dzanre;2166554 Wrote:[color=blue]
unsigned wrote:
[color=green]I would hope they’ll work with you on a single retail purchase.[/color]
In theory this is complete. I haven’t received the email with the new
license
number yet, but I do have an order number itself.Of course it took 45 minutes on the phone (not on hold, on the phone)
to process
a switch from a Windows license to a Mac license.Speaking of “on hold”, which I phone Adobe it wa 12:13 p.m. I was told
that I
had a 30-40 minute hold time, and that they could phone me back, but I
opted to
hold. I was connected in 3 minutes! Probably everyone else gives up
and says
call back or hangs up, and the brave get through!–
Danita
Novell Knowledge Partner
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‘Shopping Cart’ (http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html)[/color]
Sneaky!
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